This disc is definitely not as flippy as advertised. I've owned it in both the AIR plastic, and the 400 plastic, and its definitely MUCH better in the AIR plastic. In 400, I'd give it the numbers of 12|5|-1|3, and then the AIR plastic is more like a 13|6|-3|2. I also have about a 3.5 out 5 arm speed, so that may factor into it. But this disc is fantastic if you're looking for a disc with the flight of 12|5|-1|3! The plastic is very durable, very grippy, and feels great in the hand. If ordering in the 400 plastic, I recommend getting one that's as light as possible