I'm happy with this disc, but it's a bit too stable for what I was looking for.New this disc has about 0 turn and 3 fade, similar to a beat in star firebird. It will beat in to have more turn and less fade, but Big Z is a pretty durable plastic, so it will take some time.If you are new, I would recommend this for an overstable driver once you can throw over 250, when this disc has some turn, get something more stable.I would recommend this disc in lighter weight (~165) because I think it would fly closer to the numbers from the start.I like it for 300' straight shots(currently, thrown flat, it will always come back at 300), and also for smaller skip shots, where you need about a 10-15 foot skip, when a destroyer would give 30-40'.Edit: 1 year later, this disc is perfect. I'm ace running 350' on a slight hyzer flip, 100% control power.For me it flies great on about 15 degree hyzer high power, or flat at about 250'. Will always try to come back to centre line.